Harley Singh Grooves

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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby t120r » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:58 pm

Sorry I haven't updated this... I had the heads shaved 0.030", radiused the edges and polished the chamber to a mirror finish. I still haven't put in the grooves as I don't have access to a mill anymore so I'm trying to figure a good way to do it accurately.
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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby daves66nova » Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:01 pm

I used a dremel tool with a ball tip to groove the heads.
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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby octfifty » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:54 pm

Ball mill with 1/4 inch shank will fit in a routermake a router template using bolt holes for reference. Slow and easy does it works on aluminium cann't say on iron.
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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby t120r » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:57 am

Update: SO my heads are shaved 0.030". The edges are radiused and the chamber is polished. I took out my new powerlynze tools and started at it. All I have left to do is cut the Singh Grooves. I'm kind of nervous about it, but what the heck:) Give it a go.:) I have a 1/16" ball mill and a dremel... Pics will follow when I finish it. Hopefully done tonight.
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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby Pinhead » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:44 am

Don't forget pics of the ports! I want as many pictures to compare my work to!!! :D
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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby smitty » Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:36 pm

What did you decide on the squish dimension? I would have thought you'd have set that first, before shaving the heads, so that you would know where the cc's and static c.r. are going to come out.

Mike, I don't get why a loose squish would (as I read on Singh's site) do anything to help the effect of grooving. Seems like it be just the opposite. In the old days, before Singh, before fire-slots, et al, tight (cautiously tight!) squishbands went a long way toward doing what the grooves now do somewhat better. Why not tight squish with grooves? Has anybody actually isolated and tested this variable?
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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby mpgmike » Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:55 pm

About 2 years ago someone was doing extensive testing on a Geo Metro 3-cyl engine. Apparently, he was equipped with some pretty sophisticated equipment to see what goes on. I don't remember his name, but a search of the site might bring the subject up. If anybody did that sort of testing it would either be him or Automotive Breath.

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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby Pinhead » Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:40 pm

mpgmike wrote:About 2 years ago someone was doing extensive testing on a Geo Metro 3-cyl engine. Apparently, he was equipped with some pretty sophisticated equipment to see what goes on. I don't remember his name, but a search of the site might bring the subject up. If anybody did that sort of testing it would either be him or Automotive Breath.

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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby threepiston » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:47 am

Not me, but that's where my username comes from.... :D


Squish is pretty cool too though. 305 heads on a 350 raise the compression some, but it also has a few other benefits. It provides about an 1/8" squish band around the perimeter of the bore due to the bore difference, and the valves and ports are slightly smaller which increases velocity. That mod really wakes up a stock 350.
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Re: Harley Singh Grooves

Postby smitty » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:01 am

Where is Automotive Breath these days? I e-mailed him a month ago, but heard nothing back.
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