supplemental hydrogen kits for internal combustion engines

Ron3's picture

I am a new member and not good on the computer. Would like information on kits for supplemental hydrogen kits or packages for internal combustion engines. I am not a mechanic by any stretch. thank you for your help.signed Ron Cushing Email address is rnm31492@sbcglobal.net prefer phone call at 530-873-4558 If necessary I will pay for phone call by calling collect.

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DragonDon's picture

HI Ron,

There are a ton of kits out there. Even plans to build one yourself, really isn't that hard.

I would do some research here (i.e. ask questions) before looking into the kits themselves. Price ranges from about $20 (build your own) to about $750 (complete, nice pretty container). So it would be impossible for any one of us to give you specific information.

Doing a search on Google for "hydrogen kits"(with quotes) yields about 15,000 hits.

The gang here are quite smart, so simply start asking.

I'm experimenting with my own kit with the help of a few people (including Bruce McBurney if you've heard of him). You can read up on it on my blog http://volare.dragondon.net. The blog is more about my Volare in general but includes the first kit I built and learned from. The second kit is currently being planned ;)

Good luck with your quest!

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MPG101EES's picture

I can suggest a kit or system that is been most commonly used and talked about...Get a Genesis Combustion Enhancement System or a Hydro Assist Fuel Cell Kit. Not every component in the box is made for every car. you may have to pick and choose what may be right for your vehicle. In the box is a HHO genorator, a fuel line heat exchanger full of magnets, there is a fuel additive, a cnaister for the electrolyte solutions, and even an on board computer for tuning engine controls. The computer included will not work with every car. It has its best results when applied to a AFR car, aka a air fuel ratio sensor car (in place of a regular narrow band o2 sensor). Most of these vehicles are your Japanese 4 cylinder vehicles produced after 2003. Go to http://www.extremeenergysolutions.net. They have alot of stuff for these applications.

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MPG101EES's picture

well, it seems we have another posting by rich. I would like you to share your comment on this page as you did on the other page after our conversation. I only offered one suggestion. I also could suggest about two or three more hardware cell componets parts companies, one being Alternative Tech from Long Island NY, and another that we are now working with which has an entirely different cell construction all togther. The HAFC or dutchman cell is propbly what is most avalible and you could get a good deal on them if you shop around. As the garage tinkeror, you decide for yourself what you think you would want on your car and how much time you wan to invest into your project. That will decide how complex a package you will end up getting

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racprops's picture

I have learned more about Samual and his company.

I was wrong in my worries about who he might be and what was going on.

My fear that I might be sucked by a Duchman Dealer caused my reactions.

I apologize for hassling him.

I now know he is NOT a Dutchman Dealer.

Rich

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Pinhead's picture

Hey Rich, you have 1000 unwanted HAFC's? Are you/they trying to sell them or throwing them away? 'Cause if they're just going to get scrapped I wouldn't mind taking one or two off your hands if the price is right...

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racprops's picture

I don't but a friend does, he did the 100 units and then had to join 8 other guys in the west in sending a truck to pick 900 units up and bring them back here.

He really needs to get back the money owed him by Dutchman.

By one or two are we talking one or two hundred or one or two single units?

These are complete kits lacking the Optenzier and some are light on the Colverlizer.

He has to get $400.00 each plus shipping. And I hope you looking for 100 as that maybe the only way he could unload them all or nothing.

So it is $40,000.00 plus shipping, they currently are in the east.

Rich

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racprops's picture

Removed by poster..

Rich

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Pinhead's picture

Definitely a little out of my paygrade unfortunately.

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racprops's picture

No problem...

Try our new friends they say the have them and priced right as well.

Rich

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MPG101EES's picture

I think Rich needs to rethink his stance about us. First of I will touch up on a few points you expressed.

1. My site is NOT like HAFC sites. They do not sell the same things as us. I told you as we will tell everyone here, we have a seperate deal with certin suppliers, that also supply the UCSA dealers with some product, to assist in moving certin inventory that we feel is good, has been tested and proven as good. I tested the (5) yes (5) products that carry over from the UCSA dealer network. Those five products are under other green tech. I tested them consistantly for two years even before they made it onto my site. We have other products that we have posted with pictures, so clean your glasses and take another look.
2. I cannot take a picture of a process. The so called stereo typical term "flash" cannot be photographed. It is an intellectual property which is more of a process. DICI or as you call them the new Dutchman, has a picture of a guy holding a computer disc. What does that prove, nothing. I too have our own program, a disc and a plug, and it has nothing to do with the guys in Florida (DICI). If I took a phot of it, you would go out of your way to say "see thats dutchman stuff". Fact be known, they stole our interllectual property including our timer circuit. So I would be very cautious about the slanderous statements you are making.
3. We are planning to revamp some of our site. To be distributors of some of the other items we have avalible, you cannot be a part of the Lee/dutchman network, therefore We are selling our UCSA dealership, but you failed to tell your followers that as well. We will be posting some new information just after the holiday, and update photos as well. Sorry I am not going to revamp my entire site to satisfy you.
4. Now, Rich, I gave you the benfit of the doubt of being a decent human being, but you have now broken that honor by blasting our site to be like alll of the HAFC sites out there. I am giving you a serious warning, stop the slash and burn effort to paint a picture that we are like those dutchman guys, or I will fly out to you and see you personally to clear up this matter. I will take you to court, and take you up on liable charges. Dont think I wont, because I will, and proof that I am a man of my words, is that I am in the process of suing Dateline NBC for the liable they created. Not afriad of a fight and if that is what you want, you will get that and not be happy about who wins, it will not be you.

As far as pin head, if you need something, feel free to contact me, let me know, happy to get you what ever it is you may need that we may be carrying. By the way pinhead, sent out the package to you free of charge, hope those items help you out.

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MPG101EES's picture

Additionally; the amerage w/nce should be 7-8 amps on a v8 gm. That other gentalmen in the maf problem has a can network computer, was trying to save him some issues because it seems to me that not many people are aware of the CAN operating system which changes the way a tune should be approached. Was just trying to help out the guy.

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racprops's picture

I have learned more about Samual and his company.

I was wrong in my worries about who he might be and what was going on.

My fear that I might be sucked by a Duchman Dealer caused my reactions.

I apologize for hassling him.

I now know he is NOT a Dutchman Dealer.

Rich

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MPG101EES's picture

there is a difference in asking a question and making a perswasive suggested comment...think about which one you really had...

I will be glad to answer any technical question, not here to spend my time explaining suggestive leading comments made by others

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MPG101EES's picture

As far as Ron3 the original poster of this blog, discussion, contact us directlly and i will see what we can do to help you out with you vehicle

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Pinhead's picture

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As far as pin head, if you need something, feel free to contact me, let me know, happy to get you what ever it is you may need that we may be carrying. By the way pinhead, sent out the package to you free of charge, hope those items help you out.

TYVM! :) I'll be sure to post pics when I start working on it. :D

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octfifty's picture

Hey Samual you got some time to talk to a dummy #-o ? Finishing up my sons 95 3.4 firebird ,some of what you have may be of interest :D . Got some Questions because his car is now boosted. Thanks Hope you had a good turkey day! Bill

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MPG101EES's picture

I would love to answer any questions you may have about the firebird your working on. We are big GM fans, and know how to work their products, ask away.

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octfifty's picture

Couple of questions. First so I can know the person I'm talking to better Are you pictured in the company site,and if so are you the last person on the right? If so you look alot like my old father in law, hell of a man miss talking with him alot. Now onto the main. As I said my sons car is now boosted by a homebuilt supercharger {gatorcharger},don't laugh it works,have you had any experience running hydrogen in such an application? If so what must be done as far as running the hho lines was thinking about running line just before throttle plate with one way valve {yes-no?} and do I need any thing beyond what is required for n/a as far as electrics go?My main concern is leaning out the fuel too much. Thought about running a fmu so I could go lean at cruise and let the fmu richen up the fuel under boost. Is that doable with stock electronics or should I figure an getting a chip burned? The combo is heads flowed and grooved compression is 9.37-1, stock cam 1.6 rockers.Intake isolator,intake is also boxed with cold air ducted in and a splashshield between lower intake and lifter valley. Last but not least it does have headers with magnaflow cat and exhaust.The last combo with just cai and magnaflow averaged 28-31 depending on his driving am hoping for 35-37 we'll see.Thow as many suggestionas you can my way ,more along the lines of no maintainance reliability as I live 50miles from my son and he's not a mechanic.And THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! :mrgreen: =D> Bill stahler

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MPG101EES's picture

As to your questions, I am the guy pictured at the top in the black racing suit to the left. I have never put hydrogen into a booster or a turbo. I do know of someone who did and they were unsuccessful. It seems like you want to use the HHO more of a performance application. With the way the motor has been put together that is more how it will end up being, That year car must have a single wire o2 sensor right? if so then it is a very different tuning procedure for that car.

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octfifty's picture

Hey Samual! Hope you had a good holiday! Yea its a single wire application,thought about running the heated setup but doesnt seem worth the bother. Yea it's a mild stepup as far as performance goes boost was just a little icing on the cake. You're not making my day as far as using hydroxy in a boosted application as I'm hoping to use the information gained on my porsche 914 beater. From what your telling me no hydroxy unless experimentation and the subsuquent destruction is persued. Oh well thanks anyhow :D !!! By the way, you're younger and better looking than me :lol: .

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mpgmike's picture

Sammy is a Harry Potter look-alike and is really 64 years old...

OK, he's at least older than he looks.

As for boosted applications, if you can either get the output up or add more cells, it will help. The problem is that under boost you're pumping about 10-15X the volume of air into the engine you would under cruise conditions. What boosts economy under civil driving conditions is inconsequential under load; especially with boost. If you contact me (and have basic electronics skills) I can show you how to "stack" cells and bring them online as you need them.

Mike

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MPG101EES's picture

I am not 64 years old...and i have some cool tips for that porscha...i will have to look up in my arcives when i use to help some road course guys out. I remember helping out some scca road track guys that had a neon with a 914 engine in it. I have some notes in the attic. as soon as i can dig them out i will share them with you. Also i have a friend in CA who is a porsh nut, and he has applied an hafc to his car. it will be a while before i hear from him. he travels alot. he also has a 911 with a kit on it and a 944. so he too has some tips to share.

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octfifty's picture

Hey Guys! Sam do you really look old than you are :?: :shock: ? So I could run the hydroxy thru a line up to the throttle blade with a check valve to stop flow reversion when under boost?

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MPG101EES's picture

you could but make sure you are using NCE non caustic eletrolyte, not KOH or good bye to your throttle plate, body, etc. I am 33 years old

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octfifty's picture

Thanks! Don't worry I've got you beat by a little more than 20some odd years! Thats as close as I'm gonna get :oops:

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octfifty's picture

Hey mike I can run 2 or more stacks in parralell cann't I ? Got a deisel to play with eventually.

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mpgmike's picture

You just want to make sure you have about 2.2 volts per "cell"; this would be the voltage drop from one plate to the next. Range would be in the 2.0 to 2.6 volt range ideally.

Mike

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MPG101EES's picture

JUST A QUICK LITTLE NOTE: The Extreme Energy Solutions Guys are selling off some dated inventory. A complete HHO system withs ome other good odds and ends blow out sale price is $199 per box. they are as it and no refunds or exchanges on returns accepted. If you want one of those systems/kits that everyone has talked about so much, we are moving them off our shelves. We are changing our inventory and this stuff must go. anyone interested can call me on the phone number that is on our website http://www.extremeenergysolutions.net They retail for $1200, we just want to clear the shelf for the new stuff comming in

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