Final report on Throttle Body modifications:

My final report on Throttle body groves/Mods
This morning (Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:59 pm) I was able to do a bunch of Dyno runs on the 2000 Ford/Mercury and 3 modified Throttle bodies.

First was the Stock TB results were HP 189 Torque 134 FP which I had been driving on for the past week.

Then a Stock 70 MM and we got same HP and Torque. (a popular mod over the stock 65mm TB.)

The we Tested Ron's Hatton's TB Mod, (Gadgetman Groove) this was one of the three he did on my two cars and one Chevy Van, on the dyno the Mercury had no change…no improvement.

Last my most modified version, this was based on about four versions, so as we were getting nowhere I put on the last one and got: 4 more HP 193 and 135 FP torque.

I did not test MrCarbJB version, as I was unable to drive the ONE he did for me. Your results may be different. The one he did for me was too much, the car could not hold speed, with his the slightest opening caused the car to speed up, so you had to drive by opening and closing the throttle ALL the time..Cruise control was totally unusable..!!

So far I had more luck with the Dutchman HAFC: at lease out of 5 cars we got some gains..so far I have seen no real improvement, no MPG change on my personal cars: 2000 Mercury, 1991 Toyota, 1993 Chevy Van.

Before this dyno testing of my Mercury, I had helping Ron modified a TB on a 2005 Dodge Durango and a 1965 Chevy Impala with a 4 barrel Carb.
On the Dyno the Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi seemed to gain 14 HP. The Chevy with the Carb got perhaps 2 to 4 HP gain after about 5 runs and some tweaking...

Meanwhile my two cars and Van got no MPG improvement and I have done a couple of gas pump to pump 100 miles testing of EACH car and Van.

The owner of the Dodge truck took a road trip, one he has done a few times before the Mod in the same truck and reported no improvement, no change in driving and no change in MPG.

The owner of the Chevy Impala has not done any testing, we really expected major changes on the Dyno as per Ron's Claims, when none showed up we gave up. Ron had said a normal carbed car will REALLY RESPONCE to his mod... so our expectations was very high on this one...and it was a big nothing..

Bottom line: 5 Modifications all done by Ron himself, 5 cars with no improvement in MPG nor power. 5 failures with not one improvement other that a couple of them getting a slight feeling of a sharper take off.
MORE:

As I was driving Ron around for about four weeks he had plenty of time to offer to make changes or improvements on my Mercury, he never did, it was accepted that there was nothing more to be done.

The only possible change/improvement is the throttle response time, as the body is cut away from the normal flat plain, the drop cause the throttle opening to be faster, and thus gives a fast seat of the pants feeling of a more responsive and faster car off line, in my Van this drops off as I pass the Groove and return to the stock TB Bore....this cause a very notable stumble.
As I had bought about a dozen throttle bodies and tried a bunch of different concepts, I found the only one that gave a smother seat of the paints feeling was to simply open the back end from the throttle plate to match the intake’s opening. On the Mercury this took a 65 MM opening to the 70 MM opening in the intake.
Using a 70 MM Throttle body did not seem to give this change or feeling of more throttle response.
The change is a simple one: The only possible change is the throttle response time, as the body is cut away from the normal flat plain, the drop cause the throttle opening to be faster and thus gives a fast seat of the pants feeling of a more responsive and faster car.

I am a member of a Ford site so I have offered them free, just pay the shipping: and so far of the four or five I have given away, the reports have been a slight improvement in throttle response.

This trick is the bases of both Ron’s and McCarb versions. Both have cuts opening the throttle body right at the throttle plate. When you touch the throttle this cut or larger than normal opening makes the car seem hotter and more powerful, in fact all your doing is snapping the throttle opening and using MORE AIR and thus MORE fuel.

On Ron’s this surge drops out as you open the throttle more, on my van it makes the engine stumble at take off, it jumps and them drops down as I open the throttle more passing the opening…and returning to the stock bore.

This can use more fuel as all your doing it opening the throttle faster than stock.

Both Ron and Mc Carb clime this improves MPG as your getting more power with less throttle: You use less peddle as their opening of the body give you the opening you would have with MORE peddle…the mod does it FOR you…it can fool you into thinking it is making power out of nowhere.. it doesn’t.

I totally dropped Ron’s version, and went with a Hot Rod Magazine’s article on Throttle mods, and did the opening on only the back end of the throttle body by opening it from 65 to 70 MM on a 12 inch Lathe and getting a smoother faster throttle opening.

On my Ford it feels great, and it cleared up a slight dead or lull spot in the throttle.

This is what I personally have seen and the test results are what I have gotten.

I really wanted this to work. It has not for me.

I cannot say it will not work on other cars, only that is did not on all these cars and trucks.

Ron may figure out changes that might make it work.

Rich

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octfifty's picture

Thank Rich. Guess there's no need to try that throttle body from the 5.8 on my nephews i6. Have you or anyone else you know tried setting up a gas vaporiser with individual tubes wrapped around the exhaust then into the intake? Kinda like a hyco with just enough heat to keep it vaporised.

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racprops's picture

According to most scuttlebutt, gas has additives that coat and thus help stop fuel vaporazing...

Thus the old Vapor carbs will shut down within a couple of tanks of gas...

That is the stories...

Rich

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octfifty's picture

Hey Rich hope the weathers good where your at! Not Interested in wicking was just woundering if any one has set up a bubbler system with a controled bleed, doable maybe :?: hopefully. Was also thinking of using screen directly in front of the injectors to break up the fuel spray not across whole intake runner just enough to cover spray pattern.

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octfifty wrote:

Hey Rich hope the weathers good where your at! Not Interested in wicking was just woundering if any one has set up a bubbler system with a controled bleed, doable maybe :?: hopefully. Was also thinking of using screen directly in front of the injectors to break up the fuel spray not across whole intake runner just enough to cover spray pattern.

Double bubbler?? For a hudro system, good idea but why controled bleed?? In most cases we are all trying to get a much Hydro into the otor and we almost never have enought so lowering it...

I am guessing you talking about a TBI set up because adding screen in the chamber would be hard....if I am right I read some whenre (perhaps here) of changing to a smaller engine injectors and uping the presure to get a finer spray.

Of course a wet intake has all kind of problems, I will simply change to a TPI manafold and go with port injection.

And the story is I gain 30% more HP, torque and MPG just from that change.

Rich

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ssheen's picture

Can you describe the mod in more detail Rich? Perhaps even with pics? Sounds like I might be keen to try...

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racprops's picture

ssheen wrote:

Can you describe the mod in more detail Rich? Perhaps even with pics? Sounds like I might be keen to try...

How about pulling one off and mailing it to me and I will turn it and ship it back $75.00 and shipping included to start.

I would like to fransise this so if your interested, you could charge customers $100.00, send them to me to machine and keep $25.00 and pay me the $75.00 or if you want to do them your self send me the $25.00 for each unit and keep the $75.00 plus you r&r labor.

I can provide a teaching video/pictures etc.

Do you have a 12 inch metal Lathe?

Rich

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Hey Rich! Was talking about gas vapors only not hho my nephew starts work at 2:30 am usually and doesn't finish till 5 or 6 pm at which time it's straight home to help with the kids.Needless to say he doesn't do much maintainance other than oil,grease and plugs.The i6 300 already has 14lbs injectors so unless there is another injector out there that will interchange{ :D anyone?} I'm stuck trying screen. Best of luck with your tb mods. Bill

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racprops wrote:

ssheen wrote:
Can you describe the mod in more detail Rich? Perhaps even with pics? Sounds like I might be keen to try...

How about pulling one off and mailing it to me and I will turn it and ship it back $75.00 and shipping included to start.

I would like to fransise this so if your interested, you could charge customers $100.00, send them to me to machine and keep $25.00 and pay me the $75.00 or if you want to do them your self send me the $25.00 for each unit and keep the $75.00 plus you r&r labor.

I can provide a teaching video/pictures etc.

Do you have a 12 inch metal Lathe?

Rich

No lathe here. But I am interested in getting the bigger TB done up on the Shelby.. Will ping when I am ready for address and paypal.

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racprops's picture

Please check it out and let me know what you think.

Thanks.

Rich

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racprops's picture

I am on a Vanning site that is telling me a vew MPG Mods: like a adjustable pressure Reg and other injectors on the TBI units, I will return with that info once I get it...

Rich

octfifty wrote:

Hey Rich! Was talking about gas vapors only not hho my nephew starts work at 2:30 am usually and doesn't finish till 5 or 6 pm at which time it's straight home to help with the kids.Needless to say he doesn't do much maintainance other than oil,grease and plugs.The i6 300 already has 14lbs injectors so unless there is another injector out there that will interchange{ :D anyone?} I'm stuck trying screen. Best of luck with your tb mods. Bill
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OK Here is the information on adjustable pressure reg. for TBI

http://members.shaw.ca/betterthanyoutoo/how-to/fpr/fpr.htm

http://www.streetperformance.com/part/jet-performance/fuel-pressure-regu...

Still looking for the injectors, I think they were from a smaller motor a 336 or something, the idea was to rase the presure on these smaller injectors and get a very fine mist spray...

And to be able to lower pressure to lower fuel delivery.

One lack to the built in unit is the lack of a vacuum control systekm that is on the port injections systems.

And I WILL be talking with this guy...

"Small cams are not always the hot-setup. You need something that makes GREAT torque in the 1,500-4,500 RPM range to move that HEAVY G-Van efficiently.

The only time you will be under 1,500 rpm is at very light throttle, below 60 mph with the TCC Locked.. As soon as the TCC unlocks you will be in the 2,000 rpm range and above.

I tune the stock ECMs to run in LEAN CRUISE while on the highway at highway speeds and light loads. I can run down the highway at 2,200 rpm and at about 17.5:1 AFR with 46* total advance in complete smoothness on flat, level road without a headwind. At 75 MPH I am at 2,200 rpm, 14 in/hg vacuum and 20+ MPG. As it starts up a hill, it will slowly lose vacuum and the AFR will richen up and the timing retards down. I love the setup because it will climb just about ANY hill without even unlocking the torque converter. With a smallblock and that kind of weight, RPM and GEARING is your friend. "

RIch

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AND I am also trying to get more out of this guy:

"you want some serious low end torque?? if you aren;t running much more than 4500rpm, then bolt on a set of 305 heads. the smaller intake runners in the heads massivly increase the air velocity causing greater swirl as well as an almost forced induction on the bottom of the stroke. you only need to round off the edge in the combustion chambers to prevent hot spots. stock dished pistons on a 350 will give it about a 9.1 to 1 compression ratio. the vaccum signal if you're running a carb will be SO efficient that you can detune the carb and still get awesome performance.

I have seen this setup in a large truck get 29-30 mpg on the highway. I used to get 27 mpg on highway in my 85 Monte SS with 305 and q-jet. If you have TBI, switch to a 305 TBI unit. the goal to economy is burning everything in the chamber. The high velocity and the small chamber will greatly increase that efficiency by burning more of the fuel. hence, you get more power on the same gas which results in less throttle.that high velocity also generates some massive low end grunt for towing. only downfall is.. above 4500 RPMs, they start to fall off on power and air efficiency"

Now that is what I want....

Rich

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My name is Ron Hatton, and I am the inventor of Throttle Body Mod 1-A, now known as "The Gadgetman Groove". Before I go further on this, I want you to know how I know Mr. Coyle.

Mr Coyle and I hooked up earlier this year just before I received my patent pending status. He became very intimately involved in my R&D as my design was enhanced through some trial and error.

He signed a non-disclosure agreement, and I had offered him a piece of my company for his services, should he wish. He has now stolen what I was giving freely and is embarking on a path that will be seeing him in court very soon for his traitorous behaviour.

My modification does work. Mr. Coyle knows this, and has decided to steal the designs in an attempt to deny an inventor out of the product of years of investigation and research, and to do this in an instant.

Do not do business with Mr. Coyle.

I have already reported his violation of my intellectual property rights to E-Bay, and will be informing my attorney at the start of business tomorrow.

The worst part of this is that he could have become a "Certified Gadgeman" for nothing.

When you read this, Mr. Coyle, and realize the depth and seriousness of your actions, I hope you likewise realize that you have ruined your own reputation in this foolhardy endeavor.

If you want to see the REAL deal, go to http://www.GadgetmansCoolCarMods.com and http://www.GadgetmanTechnologies.com.

This is a network OF Gadgetmen, BY Gadgetmen and FOR Gadgetmen!

My name is Ron Hatton, and I AM responsible!

My day is getting brighter, Mr. Coyle.

How about yours?

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gadgetman wrote:

My name is Ron Hatton, and I am the inventor of Throttle Body Mod 1-A, now known as "The Gadgetman Groove". Before I go further on this, I want you to know how I know Mr. Coyle.

Mr Coyle and I hooked up earlier this year just before I received my patent pending status. He became very intimately involved in my R&D as my design was enhanced through some trial and error.

This is incorrect, his design was done and I had nothing to do with his "Gadgetman Grooves", all I did was let him do the mod to two of my cars a 2000 Mercury and a 1991 Toyota and my Van a 1993 Chevy, and I tested and retested and in the end found no improvment...I drove him around town and was at the speed shop where he did his mod on a Dodge Truck and a day later a 65 Chevy with a carb. The Dodge seemed to get 14 HP, the Chevy , after a lot of tweaking we seemed to get 2 to 4 HP more...

He signed a non-disclosure agreement, and I had offered him a piece of my company for his services, should he wish. He has now stolen what I was giving freely and is embarking on a path that will be seeing him in court very soon for his traitorous behaviour.

I am NOT using his Gadgetman Groves, I am simply opening the BACK of the throttle body from 65 MM to 70MM starting at the back of the throttle plate, it is a cone shape and has NO GROOVES AT ALL...He does his grooves by hand and I use a 12 inch lathe...also these ideas of throttle body mods have been writen up in a couple of speed magazines and thus are puplic domain, openly given

My modification does work. Mr. Coyle knows this, and has decided to steal the designs in an attempt to deny an inventor out of the product of years of investigation and research, and to do this in an instant.

5 cars and trucks did not improve in any way...one Dodge I saw seemed to get 14 HP more on the dyno, but the owner reported no MPG change and no drving change..he feels the extra HP was unrealiable, the base line was done in the AM and a many hours later we tested in the PM....this is by one of the owners of the Speed Shop so he is a very quaitfided reporter....so bottomline, there is nothing here to even bother about...

Do not do business with Mr. Coyle.

I have already reported his violation of my intellectual property rights to E-Bay, and will be informing my attorney at the start of business tomorrow.

As I am not using any grooves this will go nowhere...

The worst part of this is that he could have become a "Certified Gadgeman" for nothing.

When you read this, Mr. Coyle, and realize the depth and seriousness of your actions, I hope you likewise realize that you have ruined your own reputation in this foolhardy endeavor.

I see nothing wrong with my actions, I came, I saw, I tested, and I found nothing, it did not work as a MPG improver on any car or truck I have tested nor on the car and truck I was a part of testing on a dyno at a speed shop...

If you want to see the REAL deal, go to http://www.GadgetmansCoolCarMods.com and http://www.GadgetmanTechnologies.com.

This is a network OF Gadgetmen, BY Gadgetmen and FOR Gadgetmen!

My name is Ron Hatton, and I AM responsible!

My day is getting brighter, Mr. Coyle.

How about yours?

Mine is fine, I did nothing wrong....time and other tests will tell the story of the Gadgetman Groves

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ssheen's picture

#-o hmm,

Assume the NDA also was a non-compete, this does not sound too good. Keep us appraised ....

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racprops's picture

As I understand it, for a contract in the state of AZ. you have to do two things,1) noterise the signers AND 2) give a copy to both parties, Ron failed to do either/both. There was no noteary and I did not receive a copy...

And I am not competing as a more Horse Power and better MPG mod...those are his selling points.

And my version is nothing like his other than I am modifiding Throttle Bodies, mine is from a Hot Rod Magazine article.

Not that it matters, I am not seeing a land rush on these...

Good thing I kept my day job.

Rich

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racprops's picture

My final report on Throttle body groves/Mods
This morning (Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:59 pm) I was able to do a bunch of Dyno runs on the 2000 Ford/Mercury and 3 modified Throttle bodies.

First was the Stock TB results were HP 189 Torque 134 FP which I had been driving on for the past week.

Then a Stock 70 MM and we got same HP and Torque. (a popular mod over the stock 65mm TB.)

The we Tested Ron's Hatton's TB Mod, (Gadgetman Groove) this was one of the three he did on my two cars and one Chevy Van, on the dyno the Mercury had no change…no improvement.

Last my most modified version, this was based on about four versions, so as we were getting nowhere I put on the last one and got: 4 more HP 193 and 135 FP torque.

I did not test MrCarbJB version, as I was unable to drive the ONE he did for me. Your results may be different. The one he did for me was too much, the car could not hold speed, with his the slightest opening caused the car to speed up, so you had to drive by opening and closing the throttle ALL the time..Cruise control was totally unusable..!!

So far I had more luck with the Dutchman HAFC: at lease out of 5 cars we got some gains..so far I have seen no real improvement, no MPG change on my personal cars: 2000 Mercury, 1991 Toyota, 1993 Chevy Van.

Before this dyno testing of my Mercury, I had helping Ron modified a TB on a 2005 Dodge Durango and a 1965 Chevy Impala with a 4 barrel Carb.
On the Dyno the Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi seemed to gain 14 HP. The Chevy with the Carb got perhaps 2 to 4 HP gain after about 5 runs and some tweaking...

Meanwhile my two cars and Van got no MPG improvement and I have done a couple of gas pump to pump 100 miles testing of EACH car and Van.

The owner of the Dodge truck took a road trip, one he has done a few times before the Mod in the same truck and reported no improvement, no change in driving and no change in MPG.

The owner of the Chevy Impala has not done any testing, we really expected major changes on the Dyno as per Ron's Claims, when none showed up we gave up. Ron had said a normal carbed car will REALLY RESPONCE to his mod... so our expectations was very high on this one...and it was a big nothing..

Bottom line: 5 Modifications all done by Ron himself, 5 cars with no improvement in MPG nor power. 5 failures with not one improvement other that a couple of them getting a slight feeling of a sharper take off.
MORE:

As I was driving Ron around for about four weeks he had plenty of time to offer to make changes or improvements on my Mercury, he never did, it was accepted that there was nothing more to be done.

The only possible change/improvement is the throttle response time, as the body is cut away from the normal flat plain, the drop cause the throttle opening to be faster, and thus gives a fast seat of the pants feeling of a more responsive and faster car off line, in my Van this drops off as I pass the Groove and return to the stock TB Bore....this cause a very notable stumble.
As I had bought about a dozen throttle bodies and tried a bunch of different concepts, I found the only one that gave a smother seat of the paints feeling was to simply open the back end from the throttle plate to match the intake’s opening. On the Mercury this took a 65 MM opening to the 70 MM opening in the intake.
Using a 70 MM Throttle body did not seem to give this change or feeling of more throttle response.
The change is a simple one: The only possible change is the throttle response time, as the body is cut away from the normal flat plain, the drop cause the throttle opening to be faster and thus gives a fast seat of the pants feeling of a more responsive and faster car.

I am a member of a Ford site so I have offered them free, just pay the shipping: and so far of the four or five I have given away, the reports have been a slight improvement in throttle response.

This trick is the bases of both Ron’s and McCarb versions. Both have cuts opening the throttle body right at the throttle plate. When you touch the throttle this cut or larger than normal opening makes the car seem hotter and more powerful, in fact all your doing is snapping the throttle opening and using MORE AIR and thus MORE fuel.

On Ron’s this surge drops out as you open the throttle more, on my van it makes the engine stumble at take off, it jumps and them drops down as I open the throttle more passing the opening…and returning to the stock bore.

This can use more fuel as all your doing it opening the throttle faster than stock.

Both Ron and Mc Carb clime this improves MPG as your getting more power with less throttle: You use less peddle as their opening of the body give you the opening you would have with MORE peddle…the mod does it FOR you…it can fool you into thinking it is making power out of nowhere.. it doesn’t.

I totally dropped Ron’s version, and went with a Hot Rod Magazine’s article on Throttle mods, and did the opening on only the back end of the throttle body by opening it from 65 to 70 MM on a 12 inch Lathe and getting a smoother faster throttle opening.

On my Ford it feels great, and it cleared up a slight dead or lull spot in the throttle.

This is what I personally have seen and the test results are what I have gotten.

I really wanted this to work. It has not for me.

I cannot say it will not work on other cars, only that is did not on all these cars and trucks.

Ron may figure out changes that might make it work.

Rich

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Please forgive the return to an unpleasant issue. I do so only with good reports, that my customers may be able to speak on behalf of The Gadgeman Groove (if not on my behalf as well).

I invite you all to visit http://www.YouTube.com/GadgetmanGlobal where you will find the official YouTube channel for Gadgetman Technologies and the developments related to The Gadgetman Groove. Currently, there are close to 50 videos, with many reports not by myself, but by those who have experienced this amazingly simple yet effective modification.

Whatever Mr. Coyle did or did not do is no longer a concern of mine. His success will be dictated by his integrity, my success by my own. My primary concern is now seeing to it this technology is spread around the world in the most effective way possible, through word-of-mouth.

Should any of you have a vehicle you would like to try The Gadgetman Groove on, then I invite you to contact me through one of my sites or by e-mail at Gadgetman(AT)GadgetmanTechnologies.com. If you are in range of the metro Phoenix area, perhaps we can arrange to meet.

Thank you all for the work you have done. It was your efforts and the efforts of many before you that led to this success.

My name is Ron.
I am ~Gadgetman~

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racprops's picture

Yes do try it. IF it is free.

And see which report is right, see if you get any real improvment.

Reread my report and then check your cars performance, mileage, and see if all you get is a tricked take off which in fact uses more fuel that you did stock.

Report back here your findings.

FTI: I have not had time to switch out the ones he did on my van or the Toyola, both have no real improvment yet. Van still jumps off line and then due to a flaw in the design stumbles as I pass the grove (in the throttle bore) and return to the stock bore. I don't like it.

The Ford is running one of my versions with only a faster responce to the pedal and no mileage nor real power improvement. In fact mileage seems a touch lower (1 or 2 MPG) and I am planing on returning it to stock to see if I might pick up a couple of MPG stock, and with a less jackrabbet take off.

I have returned my Ford to its stock Throttle Body and we find it works better...we can not pull away from a light with out jumping, and work in tight traffic easiler.

It was fun to feel like the car had more power until I found it was a waste of time and seemed to use more fuel doing Jack rabbit starts all the time.

And if I want it I just push a little hard on the gas and it is all there still.

I will report any improvment in mileage so far it loks like we went from 21 MPG to 23MPG.

Rich

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Well I put back the stock throttle body and got about 1.3 MPG improvment.

And the car is a little more subdued in it jump off the line from the modafided TB.

For what this is worth.

Rich

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racprops's picture

Reread my report on these.

Yes on some cars and truck (Boy are trucks easy, 90% of great improvments happed to trucks....) This mod can make a little more HP but it is not worth $300.00 and not worth thousands.

Some dyno runs will change that much from run to run....

Rich

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racprops wrote:

Reread my report on these.

This mod can make a little more HP but it is not worth $300.00 and not worth thousands.

Some dyno runs will change that much from run to run....

Rich

will change or charge that much from run to run? So is this what he charges hundreds for? Can this also work on a carb throttle blade?

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racprops's picture

It is a inperfict world, Dyno runs are not super tight, not super accurate.

14 HP more on top of say 200 hp is how much a improvement?? Not even 10% as 10% would be 20 more HP. So it is something like 5% to 7% more.

Engine temptures, weather conductions and other factors can change things from run to run.

To really know you would have to do many, many runs without the Moded TB to get a real baseline and then as many runs with it to see how often it makes more.

I did not make that report lightly, I drove all three cars for hundrews of miles, used many tanks of gas. IT did not work on any of them.

Ron had three to four weeks to offer to make any changes and to improve my Ford AS I drove him around.

He never did.

I hung in hoping that if we (or I) could improve the system to make more HP we might have a sellable product, as a stright HP improvment, I already knew it did not make any MPG, but I could not get him to stop make totaly unbleable claimes and selling Gas mileage etc.

He told one speed owner he was able to make a car that when from 1 to 60 in 6.5 seconds do it in 3.5 seconds, that would take 300 more HP to do.

IT DOES NOT WORK.

So if you can get one done for free go a head, it is worth every penny you spend on it.

It the long run you may find it lowers you MPG as it did on my Ford.

Rich

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Oh on the thorttle blade my super deluxe mod have all the tricks including a moded Tplate, THAT was the one that go the 2 HP.

Rich

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