Mixing Isopropyl Alcohol with Actone??

racprops's picture

OK I have been trying Actone and Toloine and getting no improvment.

Found out our (Phonex AZ) gas has ethahol all year round and oxanated as well.

Was told I should try Isopropyl Alcohol with moth balls instead.

Question is as above, can I add the mothball Iso Alcohol to the tank that still has some acatone/tololine in it?

Rich

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Mixing Isopropyl Alcohol with Actone??

racprops's picture

I am of the mind that gas is already caustic enought so this combo should be OK, but just in case...

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RoadWarrior's picture

I've heard it said that isopropyl and acetone cancel each other out, so I dunno if there's any point mixing it up until you've had a fresh tank through.

I've stuck iso in my tank often, usually for clean/tune up and "bad gas" purposes, always seemed to get a little better mileage with it and a little smoother running. However, intending it for injector cleaning and de-coking I was never very scientific about quantity. Usually put about a cup in at a time.

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Dale T.'s picture

Why ad more alcohol you have a tank full from the gas station now? Dale

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racprops's picture

Moth balls and alcohol

Rich

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Mothballs?

whitevette's picture

racprops wrote:

Moth balls and alcohol

Rich

Hi, Rich-
Mothballs? Nothing but trouble when this "solid" dissolves into a gummy mess of goo! It sinks...does not go into suspension...and raises Hell with fuel pumps, strainers, filters...not to mention FI jets!!! Alcohol won't dissolve it right, and gasoline is very slow! BT, DT! But... be my guest....

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Moth balls DO INDEED disolve in isopropyl alcohol...I have a bottle in the garage that I made up 2 years ago and the moth balls have not gummed up nor have they dropped from suspension. It does take about 2 weeks for them to fully disolve.

The reason for isopropyl alcohol is that acts differently than the ethanol does. The ethanol is simply a fuel. The isopropyl actually acts to break the larger fuel molecules down earlier in the combustion cycle to yield more combusted fuel in the advantageous time of the combustion cycle. Actually trippled the run time on a lawn mower with 20% iso added to the fuel.

Mike

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MADDSCIENTIST's picture

So Mike,

(Great name by the way :lol: ) How much of the ISO.. do we add to the gas? The same ratio as acetone?

What does your experience say?

Please let me know. I feel that I am on the edge of something great that will work for my situation.

Whitevette, any data on bug poison and E10?

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A reasonable mix is about 4-5 oz of iso to 10 gal of gas. Be sure to add WD-40 or Marvel Mystery Oil as a lubricant or plan on replacing your fuel pump soon.

Mike

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mothballs..

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3 heaped teaspoons of naphthalene flakes dissolve completely in about 90ml of acetone and stay in suspension. I put 75ml of this mixture plus 40ml of xylene every 50 liters of fuel. I have not mixed this with gasolene outside the tank to see waht happens when this mixture hits the fuel.

Fuel economy went from around 10km/l in urban commuting to just under 11km/l. This in an old manual Honda Accord.

Always same trip, always same driver, always same fuel bowser and fuel. Proven over 20+ tanks of fuel. I am about to start running without the additives for a few tankfuls without telling the driver to prove the point.

Should I add a few drops of synthetic two stroke oil to protect the fuel pump? Torco is unobtainable in Australia

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I think adding some synthetic 2-stroke oil in the fuel tank for upper cylinder and fuel pump lubrication is essential when running acetone in gasoline - especially so (for at least a couple tanksful) after you've stopped using acetone.

There was a suggestion by someone that - to really gauge the effectiveness of acetone in fuel - one needed to come off it and see the mileage drop post-acetone.

I think that mileage drop is attributed to dry upper cylinder walls (more friction) combined with gasoline burning less efficiently without the acetone.

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Why the synthetic 2 cycle oil? Can any 2 cycle oil work? Dale

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Dale T. wrote:

Why the synthetic 2 cycle oil? Can any 2 cycle oil work? Dale

GP-7 is supposedly smoke-less. Don't know about other types of sythetic 2 stroke though.

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I have decided to use Morey's Upper Cylinder Lubrication oil instead. It is designed to burn without smoKe or ash in 4 stroke motors. It also contains 1% ZDDP an Extreme Pressure oil additive which is gradually being removed from our engine oils.

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johnfnielsen wrote:

I have decided to use Morey's Upper Cylinder Lubrication oil instead. It is designed to burn without smoKe or ash in 4 stroke motors. It also contains 1% ZDDP an Extreme Pressure oil additive which is gradually being removed from our engine oils.

Sold by Lucas in the US?

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mpgmike wrote:

A reasonable mix is about 4-5 oz of iso to 10 gal of gas. Be sure to add WD-40 or Marvel Mystery Oil as a lubricant or plan on replacing your fuel pump soon.

Mike

Why to use a top oil?

http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands...

Pyroil Carb and Choke Cleaner

Chemical CAS No / Unique ID.......... Percent

Methanol 000067-56-1 ............ 25-35

Acetone 000067-64-1 ........... 48-58

Xylene (mixed isomers) 001330-20-7 .......... 20-30

Also why windshield fluid likely cleans rings?

http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands...

Chemical CAS No / Unique ID........ Percent

Methanol 000067-56-1........... 55

Water 007732-18-5........... 40-50

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johnfnielsen wrote:

I have decided to use Morey's Upper Cylinder Lubrication oil instead. It is designed to burn without smoKe or ash in 4 stroke motors. It also contains 1% ZDDP an Extreme Pressure oil additive which is gradually being removed from our engine oils.

The reason Zinc dialkyl dithio phosphate is being removed is that it is thought to destroy the catalytic converter.

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This may only be the seat of the pants thing..
But as I had added acetone earlier I put in 4 OX of GP7 and 2 OZ of MPC's FT10 into my 1/2 tank of gas (10 Gal)...

Well the Caddy sure jumps off the line faster and harder and seems to have more power...

Real notably.

Rich

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racprops wrote:

This may only be the seat of the pants thing..
But as I had added acetone earlier I put in 4 OX of GP7 and 2 OZ of MPC's FT10 into my 1/2 tank of gas (10 Gal)...

Well the Caddy sure jumps off the line faster and harder and seems to have more power...

Real notably.

Rich

In-gear acceleration times are a good way to gauge if there've been any improvement. I habitually test 70-80 and 80 - 100 times over the same stretch of tarmac, with little or no wind, in both directions on one of my routes.

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Got a good gain with my last iso/MMoil mpg test...around a 10% gain. With this car...it is a miracle. =D>

I used a 5 to 1 ratio of Walmart 91% iso to 1 part MMoil.

This = 2.3 oz of this mix to each 10 gallons....3 oz to a full 13 G tank.

I use the 91 % iso because it is cheaper than Heet. When put together they will separate...so you need to shake the bottle before use.

If running an electric pump I'd change the ratio to maybe 3 oz iso to 2 oz MMoil. Or around 4 oz of this mix per each 10 gallons.

When I tested 5 oz per 10 G of this mix AND HHO...I had real good power but LOST mpg. So the amount used is probably critical.

Got a 6-7% gain on the second tank...but had headwinds and so forth...so I'd expect a consistent 10% gain in good summer driving conditions.

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mpgmike wrote:

Moth balls DO INDEED disolve in isopropyl alcohol...I have a bottle in the garage that I made up 2 years ago and the moth balls have not gummed up nor have they dropped from suspension. It does take about 2 weeks for them to fully disolve.

Mike

If it takes 2 weeks to fully dissolve in your bottle study...think what happens in your gas tank? ... in 2 weeks? Or 2 days? Not in my tank...! 2 hours would be 2 long! 2 minutes? This is getting ridiculous.... :lol:

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MADDSCIENTIST wrote:

So Mike,

(Great name by the way :lol: ) How much of the ISO.. do we add to the gas? The same ratio as acetone?

What does your experience say?

Please let me know. I feel that I am on the edge of something great that will work for my situation.

Whitevette, any data on bug poison and E10?

Hi, Scientist!
Please pardon the delay in responding...but I've been doing "other" things.
I've got the data ( and the graph from it ) all collected / finished ( all good studies must come to an end...did Socrates say this? LOL).
Unfortunately, this "newbie" cannot post pictures (or the almost 4,00 miles of careful data acquisition- road testing) on this Website. I could not post the graph on my Website, either. But I DID list all the data points on which the graph was built.
Let me just say ... my test mule demonstrated a baseline MPG average ( taken over hundreds on miles of pre-bug stuff addition) of 25 MPG. This was noted on the graph. The EPA average hwy MPG for this year/make/model vehicle was taken from Internet data...28 MPG (a blue-sky number). My post-study average was 36 MPG. You people can figure the % gain from 25 to 36 MPG. It's a big number, yes? Over almost 4,00 miles of city,highway,traffic snarls driving was encountered for this very "real world" study.. A "Real World MPG" figure. This graph is available to anyone sending me a SSAE via snail-mail. MPGresearch knows my addy.
Concerning E-10 gasoline... you gotta run whatever the "Gastapo'' decrees.... This bug stuff runs fine in everything I have tried over the years ( gasohol, E-10, E-whatever). I believe this diluted-power gas is gonna clip the MPG gains a bit...but what are you gonna do? It is well worth the hassle. -whitevette

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Naphtalene flakes (mothballs in flake form) dissolve rapidly (almost instantly) in acetone. I use 10gms of naphtalene for 100 ml of acetone.

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johnfnielsen wrote:

Naphtalene flakes (mothballs in flake form) dissolve rapidly (almost instantly) in acetone. I use 10gms of naphtalene for 100 ml of acetone.

how much is it helping you ???

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I use acetone/xylene/upper cyl lube anyway, with naphtalene as well I get consistently 5% better results than without, car performance feels good too, no probs with fuel pump/filter or injectors.

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johnfnielsen wrote:

I use acetone/xylene/upper cyl lube anyway, with naphtalene as well I get consistently 5% better results than without, car performance feels good too, no probs with fuel pump/filter or injectors.

just starting with the acetone,, it acts like its cleaning for sure ,,haven't done a MPG check yet

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