acetone injection

Hey folks. Thought that title would make you look lol!

I am looking for a way to measure and pour acetone into my car. The measuring cup I bought has become etched by the acetone; Not sure if it will eventually eat through it or not...

Second: I bought a turkey baster with 1/4 ounce graduations (perfect!) for measuring and shooting into the gas tank. On my second use, I squeezed the bulb, and nothing... The bulb had gotten eaten by the previous acetone treatment. The plastic graduated body of the baster is completely fine, so looks like I need a squeeze bulb that can handle acetone. What are you all using?

Mark

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iburnh2o's picture

trinogt wrote:

Hey folks. Thought that title would make you look lol!

I am looking for a way to measure and pour acetone into my car. The measuring cup I bought has become etched by the acetone; Not sure if it will eventually eat through it or not...

Second: I bought a turkey baster with 1/4 ounce graduations (perfect!) for measuring and shooting into the gas tank. On my second use, I squeezed the bulb, and nothing... The bulb had gotten eaten by the previous acetone treatment. The plastic graduated body of the baster is completely fine, so looks like I need a squeeze bulb that can handle acetone. What are you all using?

Mark

I use a glass measuring cup. Stainless would work. Pouring through a tranny funnel, which I expect will 'melt' as well with time.

Best way I've found to get mixed up good right away and save on the paint/plastic funnels and the like to to first measure the acetone and pour into a 5 gallon gas can full of gas. Shake it up then pour that into the vehicles tank.

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trinogt's picture

Glass!!!! Why didn't I think of that??? lol

That would be great, I will go get one!
Now, as far as the 5 gallon can mixing, I did that first off, but impatient people at the gas pumps will keep me from doing it often, as it does take a while to pour from the gas can. I fill to full, so I run down to just over a quarter tank, which is close to 10 gallons. I add 3 oz of acetone, then continue to fill the tank. If I go over 10 gallons, I measure and add some acetone with the remaining portion of the turkey baster used as a funnel, and the etched plastic measuring cup as the measure(er). It looks quite funny, I'm sure! I just want to make sure I have the 10 gal/3 oz ratio.

Mark

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mpgmike's picture

I have an 8 ounce 2-cycle oil container that I fill and keep in the trunk. 8 ounces is about right for my fuel tank when I normally fuel up. After fueling up I have a few days (get slightly over 500 miles per tank) to refill the oil container.

Mike

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E=mc2's picture

Using acetone or other mixes won't work unless you make it easy and accurate?

I use a 32 oz 2 cycle mixing bottle to put together various mixes.

This way I'm sure the liquids I use mix OK.

At Walmart and maybe elsewhere...you can find TipsBeGone bottles of nail polish remover that have red flip tops. Made for holding acetone....hold about 9-10 oz each.

There are supposed to be 16 oz sizes also.

Flip the top open...squirt the mix in slowly. I use a permanent marker on the side to graduate the bottle by the oz.

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trinogt's picture

Now, that's another good idea... A transparent bottle that I can mark graduations on! I like the flip-top idea, especially... Instead of hauling the whole can of acetone with me when I take each of our two cars to the gas station.

Oh, I guess I should add that I am also using my 1995 Ford Thunderbird, 4.6 L V8 as an acetone test subject. It doesn't have the ozone distributor though (not yet!).
It does have another of my custom K&N cold air intakes, though...

Mark

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elusiverunner's picture

I have been reading the posts here about adding acetone to petrol. Are the cars you guys driving fuel injected or carburated ?

I use 95-96 RON premium unleaded on my V8 Ford Falcon (I am in Australia) and I have a 68 litre fuel tank - what would be the conversions of acetone to fuel in respect to the above. This car is only three years old and I don't want to "stuff" it .... so if you think I should not use acetone, please, please let me know.

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trinogt's picture

It will work with carbureted engines also, as the combustion process remains the same between efi and carb engines.
As far as the conversion goes, people are using 3 oz of acetone to 10 US gallons of gasoline.

3 US fluid ounces is 88.72 milliliters. 10 US gallons is 37.85 liters.
So, for a full 68 liter tank of fuel, you should have about 603 milliliters. (rounding to 600 ml should be fine)

Hope this answers your questions.By the way, LOVE Aussie Falcons! Especially XB, Mad Max type stuff! Perfect setting, since that movie was about a future with a severe gas shortage!

Mark

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elusiverunner's picture

That seems a hell of a lot of acetone to use. I believe your calculations [can you show me the working out], but as I said that is a hell of a load of acetone.

How much do you use ?? What size tank do you have ??

The reason I say this is because I have done some very rough calculations rounding my tank capacity to 20 US gallons [68 litres is 17.963 US gallons]. Therefore I would need 6oz of acetone for a 3oz to 10 gallon ratio. 6 US fluid oz to millilitres is 177.441 mls

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katman's picture

That's a good starting point. You can then play with going higher or lower and see if your mileage does up or down. I think most people find going up hurts mileage.

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trinogt's picture

Hey, glad you piped in... That IS a lot of acetone! Let me revise my calculations:

88.72 ml for every 37.85 liters (3 oz/10 us gal)

88.72ml X
------ X ------
37.85L 68L

= 159 ml (5.38 US ounces, 5.60 British ounces)

I must have calculated one ounce per gallon! lol Sorry.

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elusiverunner's picture

Well I have added mt first lot of acetone to my fuel yesterday and have so far driven about 50kms [31.1miles]. I added 150mls to 68 litres [5.3oz to 17.96gallons]. I may be imagining it but the car does seem to respond better. As yet though the fuel economy seems to be worse than it was, but I have only driven a small distance in suburban traffic so I will not base my conclusions on what the trip computer is reading currently. Currently 17.5lites/100km [13.4mpg].

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elusiverunner wrote:

Well I have added mt first lot of acetone to my fuel yesterday and have so far driven about 50kms [31.1miles]. I added 150mls to 68 litres [5.3oz to 17.96gallons]. I may be imagining it but the car does seem to respond better. As yet though the fuel economy seems to be worse than it was, but I have only driven a small distance in suburban traffic so I will not base my conclusions on what the trip computer is reading currently. Currently 17.5lites/100km [13.4mpg].

Acetone, being a powerful solvent, will also clean out your fuel system and help remove carbon deposites from the valves, pistons, etc. I used it in my recently acquired '84 Dodge Charger and the first 2 tanks dropped mileage from about 30 to 26-27. The third tank though went up to about 35 mpg. My older car benefited from the acetone only after it got cleaned out some.

Mike

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elusiverunner's picture

Am I right in assuming that if you fill at say half or quarter of a tank then you should only add enough acetone to treat the additional fuel that has been added or should a full dose be added. :roll:

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diamondlarry's picture

elusiverunner wrote:

Am I right in assuming that if you fill at say half or quarter of a tank then you should only add enough acetone to treat the additional fuel that has been added or should a full dose be added. :roll:

That is correct. Many people forget this then wonder why it's not working a few tanks later. If you didn't do it this way you would soon be "overdoing" it.

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elusiverunner's picture

OK - that is fine, but until you have finished filling the tank you don't know how much acetone to add. You would therefore have to add the acetone after finishing filling the tank which means the acetone will not be mixed properly with the fuel. How would this be overcome ?

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elusiverunner's picture

If I have overdosed my fuel - only added a quarter of a tank of petrol yet added enough acetone for a full tank of petrol. Is it just a matter of not adding any acetone for the next few additions to the tank [I don't always let the tank run to empty] to flush the acetone through until I get to the right ratio again?

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NaphthaMPG's picture

Acetone is a solvent, it mixes quite readily with gasoline.

There is no point in overuse of acetone, do not exceed 425:1 ratio.

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hotrod500's picture

Hello, i run acetone and xylene in my saturn, its a 15 gallon tank
1: acetone i put 3oz per tank any more than that in my saturn i lose mileage.
2:Xylene i put 3-4oz per tank.
The combo of these two, has added 3 mpg in both my 2003 saturn vues and my 2004 chevy venture van.
I noticed on my scan gauge2 that my TPS went down around 2-3 points.
On a petty much flat highway at 65mph my TPS setting was at 12-13 to stay at speed, but with the acetone&xylene it was at 10, which tells me i dont need to use as much gas.
Anyone using 3 additives or more?

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E=mc2's picture

I add around .25 oz Torco GP7 per 10 gallons...supposed to help the rings seal. Plus the acetone/xylol at about the same amount you use.

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iburnh2o's picture

hotrod500 wrote:

Anyone using 3 additives or more?

I have at times... I've used the gp-7, acetone/xylene mix with success.
In 'the old days' ran all kinds of crazy combinations... wish I'd still have my notes.

ps...does water and/or hho count as additives?

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A pic of the Tips Be Gone bottles I use for acetone and fuel mixes.

Flip the top to add mix slowly.

Found them at Walfart.

I use a marker to put oz lines on the sides so I know how much to add...tape might work better?

One is 8 oz...the other 16 oz. I keep them upright in a pan because they will leak some during temperature changes otherwise.

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E=mc2 wrote:

I add around .25 oz Torco GP7 per 10 gallons...supposed to help the rings seal. Plus the acetone/xylol at about the same amount you use.

I will try out the torco GP7.

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E=mc2's picture

I've been testing my model airplane engine gas valve (around $12) as a method of injecting fuel additives using the vacuum present in the PCV line.

There is only a vacuum IF the PCV valve is plumbed in BEFORE the injection point (in terms of flow direction).

I'm testing this with a Condensator and use a glass jar and this valve. Seems that when tested using windshield washer fluid...an opening of just one notch from closed pulls around 1.2 oz in 80 miles...or around 4.5 oz in 300 miles...using around 10 gallons of gas at 30 to 34 mpg.

I just drilled a snug hole in the 1/2" rubber PCV hose...inserted a plastic vac fitting into this right near the exit point from the Condensator. This SHOULD allow the mix to evaporate in the hot PCV flow before flowing around 2' to the cylinders...at least that is the plan.

Now testing with an acetone/xylene/GP7 mix.

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manilow's picture

E-MC2, this is a coincidence!

I just disassembled the 4-stroke OS engine from my Citabria 60 model plane and was staring at it a couple hours trying to figure out if I could use if for the exact same thing!

It's been seized up since 2002 - methanol corrodes everything! Poured some JBO and let it soak a week and yesterday got the engine turning properly again - all the gunk came out with the oil (so it definitely has some detergent qualities!)

May try the same thing as you, but with the carb from a cheaper engine I have lying somewhere - also seized.

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diamondlarry's picture

This model airplane gas valve sounds interesting. Does anyone have a link to where I can check them out?

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maxc's picture

Larry, I gave you the OS valve model number months ago. Did you ever look at the hobby shop for one?

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diamondlarry's picture

maxc wrote:

Larry, I gave you the OS valve model number months ago. Did you ever look at the hobby shop for one?

Oops! :oops: Senior moment?

Edit: For anyone else that's interested.

Quote:

I found a valve the local hobby store. It's made by O.S. ENGINE. Part NO. 26582900. It's for the .40,46,65LA engine.
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manilow's picture

The more I think of it, the more I see the possibilities! All those hours spent building and crashing tham thar airplanes must have been for somethin'!

- Model airplane Carbs for acetone injection
+
- Model airplane Smoke pumps - The perfect fogging machine?

http://www.perrypumps.com

E = you are a genius!

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E=mc2's picture

diamondlarry wrote:

This model airplane gas valve sounds interesting. Does anyone have a link to where I can check them out?

They can be hard to find...just thinking you'd want to use one made for about the smallest engine made.

You will probably need to use 1/8" fuel line as used for mowers.

The one I have won't work using just acetone...it allows more than 3 oz per 10 G at 30 mpg.

The greater your basic mpg...the longer the vac will be applied thru the valve...meaning more flow while the 10 gallons are being used. With your car doing more than 40 mpg...it might not shut down as much as needed.

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RoadWarrior's picture

Some weed whackers and leaf blowers have tiny 18cc engines, however, the carby part is often kinda cast in with the block/crankcase.

If you need to go smaller still, I think but I'm not sure that the carby/throttle part on RC equipped Cox .049 and .020 engines is a seperate piece.

Because normally, I think an .40 model airplane engine will run out a 4-6oz tank in 20 mins to half an hour, which is a bit more acetone than you want to use really.

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http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0084rh0.jpg

The top valve is a .020 valve, JB welded together, I know it's ugly, little heavy.

The bottom valve flows 2cc per min. at 22 inches of vacuum,1/3 of a turn, about 12 clicks. It's for the .40 to .65 engine.

I'll test the smaller valve soon.

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manilow's picture

I just tested a model airplane Enya .30 carb with distilled water.

One end was plumbed into the throttle body of my van's engine, the other left open (should be tee'd into the hose from the PCV valve/oil catch can ideally.) The other end feeding off a small water tank with a sintered metal microfilter.

I used clear tubing after the venturi to observe the water droplets.

The venturi on the carb makes good small water droplets when it's wide open and with the needle valve adjusted to around 1/3 turn. Size of droplets in the 0.5mm range, the smallest I've been able to get so far without a pump and nozzle setup.

I think this supplementary carb setup needs to be situated as close as possible to the point of entry in the intake manifold/throttle body, so the droplets do not build into bigger droplets.

No flow rate figures yet.

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E=mc2's picture

Still testing:

* found that the 1/8" mower fuel hose can't handle acetone...on the outside at least...I replaced the rubber inside the jar with copper tubing

* found a layer of what seems to be water at the bottom of the Ac/Xyl/GP7 mix...could be that under agitation or at below freezing temps...when the GP7 mixes with the other 2...that water that was mixed in with the bargain basement Ac...is separated out?

Might be why LaPointe says to buy the Ac at Sally's BS?

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manilow's picture

I get my acetone from a fibreglass supplies store - around 10 USD for 1 Imperial Gallon. 99% pure.

Acetone is supposed to be "hygroscopic", and like brake fluid readily absorbs water.

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E=mc2's picture

Now having issues as far as keeping the flow going...seems like the grease used to seal the threads in the valve has been dissolved by the Ac...might not work so well.

Will test this setup for injecting a top lube such as MMOil or mineral oil. Also can be used to inject water for decarboning.

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manilow's picture

Maybe use Teflon plumbers tape?

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E=mc2's picture

Hey! Good idea. I'm having some of the same problems as with water injection...keeping the flow going when I have it set so low...might try soldering a sintered bronze fuel filter on the copper pickup tube.

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