Magnet theory....
Hey folks,
Just been reading about aromatics, and realised something funky about them, see .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatics The ring structure lets the electrons whizz round the molecule. A magnetic field would be generated. However, if they were to be moved through a magnetic field, then that would set the electrons whizzing around. Ergo the molecule would probably move to a higher energy state and be more ready to react violently given the opportunity to do so.
Given that gasoline has a large mixture of aromatics in it, magnets on your fuel lines may, as the gasoline moves past them, boost up the molecular energy levels of the aromatics. Thus they would burn quicker.
However....
On this thinking, the ideal positions of magnets would be in pairs on opposite sides of the fuel lines, arranged N-S so that a strong uniform field is formed between them. Bear in mind however, that this does actually produce a resistance to motion of the fuel flow and would place additional load on the pump, small though it may be.
This method may not produce additional results when used with fuel heating, because the heat energy raises the energy levels of all the fuel already. However, it should provide cold start benefits and allow greater efficiency during warmup still.
I'm wondering if the "use the south pole" wisdom may actually have a weak effect because most of us are in the northern hemisphere and using a southern pole against the line forms a weak flux with the earths natural northern field.
This method may be particularly effective with winter gas, and less effective to unnoticable with summer gas. This is because winter gas has higher proportions of aromatics, and summer gas has lower proportions.
Users of mothballs may notice an enhanced effect with magnets because napthalene is an aromatic.
well that's something else to play with and think about at any rate.
Road Warrior
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* this is a post I made elsewhere.....
Found a couple of sites that mention additives used to increase octane:
http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/fuelquality/publications/paper2a.html#2.3
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/87-92rpt/appa.html
Seems other than some metal-based stuff like Ferrocene and MMT...the aromatics are what is usually used.
Plus some alcohols and ethers.
Aromatics A type of hydrocarbon, such as benzene or toluene, with a specific type of ring structure. Aromatics are sometimes added to gasoline in order to increase octane. Some aromatics are toxic.
Aromatics. Aromatics are very reactive hydrocarbons that tend to be relatively uncommon in crude oil (typically 10 percent or less). However, light aromatics increase octane number in gasoline, and consequently are deliberately created by steam reforming of naphtha. Aromatics also take the form of ring structures with some double bonds between carbon atoms that make more hydrogen atoms superfluous. The most common aromatics are benzene (C6H6), toluene (C7H8), and xylene (C8H10). The general formula for aromatics is CnH2n-6. Benzene is 92 percent carbon by weight, while xylene, with a higher carbon number, is 90.6 percent carbon by weight. Unlike the other hydrocarbon families, the carbon content of aromatics declines asymptotically toward 85.7 percent with increasing carbon number and density.
Polynuclear Aromatics. Polynuclear aromatics are large molecules with a multiple ring structure and few hydrogens, such as naphthalene (C10H2 and 94.4 percent carbon by weight) and anthracene (C14H4 and 97.7 percent carbon). They are relatively rare and appear in heavier petroleum products.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthracene
Seems these work due to their higher carbon content.
Summer gas is abour 30-34% aromatics and has a carbon content of around 85-86%.
Adding extra aromatics both increases the overall aromatic content...and the carbon content.
So maybe about 1 mothball per 2-3 gallons dissolved in some xylene...add some PIB...you have higher octane. Then add the typical 3 oz acetone for some vapor pressure kick?
Could be that a naphthalene/xylene mix in 10% gasahol might overcome the problems found with acetone vs ethanol....where the naphthalene/xylene mix would increase octane...add some carbon...and the ethanol would contribute some oxygen to help burn the carbon.
And advance the ignition?
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"On this thinking, the ideal positions of magnets would be in pairs on opposite sides of the fuel lines, arranged N-S so that a strong uniform field is formed between them. Bear in mind however, that this does actually produce a resistance to motion of the fuel flow and would place additional load on the pump, small though it may be."
Interesting theory there.
I have been playing with fuel line magnets and off over the past 10 years. (25 years, if I include the first fuel-line magnet I ever fitted which was a Polarion).
The recent increased supply of powerful yet compact rare-earth magnets has enabled relatively cheap and inexpensive ways to test fuel line magnets...
Here are my own personal findings, with rare earth magnets of the unipolar variety.
1) When set up along a non-metallic fuel line to repel one another, the magnets may help to reduce surface tension of the fuel molecules. I have seen consistent, steady improvements of 5-7% over a thousand plus kilometers driving with this set up.
Conversely, I have also seen a significant drop in performance and fuel economy when I switched the magnets with more powerful ones.
2) When set up along a non-metallic fuel line to attract one another, the magnets can help decluster the fuel thus leading to a better burn. This set-up seems to work better with diesel fuels.
If (1) and (2) are applied the right way (and I do not know the formula for this), it is IMHO possible to decluster the fuel molecules, reduce the surface tension of the fuel, and even impart a sort of 'spin' to the fuel molecules right before the combustion process.
I strongly believe the polarity of the magnets has an effect in relation to where one is living. But I live on the equator, so no chance of finding out for a fact there.
In a carburetted car with no cat converter, it may even be possible to reduce the jet sizes to obtain better mileage.
In EFI cars, the biggest hurdle in obtaining any large gains with fuel line magnets is the existing oxygen sensor signal.
In fact it is not unusual to see a reduction in performance and fuel economy, due to the effects of a strong magnetic field on the fuel.
I know one guy who blew the engine on his Citroen C5 recently, because he was using magnets that were too powerful.
An EFIE can hopefully overcome this problem.
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I did some magnet tests and generally got a 6-7% gain...maybe.
Didn't seem to matter whether they were ceramics or neos.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diy_magnet_use/
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What about electromagnets?? My old Ford has steel fuel lines going up to the throttle body (TBI). Why not make that entire fuel line a big magnet? By changing the polarity of the current, you can change the polarity of the magnet.
Am I missing something here? Reading the above posts leads me to believe that you take two magnets on either side of the fuel line, and point like poles together so they try to repel eachother, and the repelling flux lines are flowing through the fuel. Is this correct? If so, the electromagnet wouldn't work in this regard, since the entire fuel line becomes the magnet, instead of having the diverging flux lines flowing through it.
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[quote="Pinhead"]What about electromagnets?? My old Ford has steel fuel lines going up to the throttle body (TBI). Why not make that entire fuel line a big magnet? By changing the polarity of the current, you can change the polarity of the magnet.
Am I missing something here? Reading the above posts leads me to believe that you take two magnets on either side of the fuel line, and point like poles together so they try to repel eachother, and the repelling flux lines are flowing through the fuel. Is this correct? If so, the electromagnet wouldn't work in this regard, since the entire fuel line becomes the magnet, instead of having the diverging flux lines flowing through it.[/quote]
Generally, from what I've seen (and done) you put the poles towards each other to repel as you stated. I have however seen plans for electromagnetic style as you suggest. I have not tried such a setup. The magnetizer group goes further and puts magnets on the air cleaner and the radiator hose to 'treat' the whole engine.
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You guys may think this is funny but i use the same theory on magnets on my body when i sleep at night, i have 4 magnets, well 2 pinky rings which hold two magnets each, one north and south or + and -. I have found the they work on the blood and increase blood flow when sleeping you wake up with more energy, the neo magnets are 12,000guass gauge in strength. But the pinky rings im using would be perfect to clamp around a fuel line because they fully adjust, open to close. I will get a picture to show you. I tried magnets on my saturn but it didnt show any improment, but they where not strong, very weak compared to the neo magnets.
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[quote="hotrod500"]You guys may think this is funny but i use the same theory on magnets on my body when i sleep at night, i have 4 magnets, well 2 pinky rings which hold two magnets each, one north and south or + and -. I have found the they work on the blood and increase blood flow when sleeping you wake up with more energy, the neo magnets are 12,000guass gauge in strength. But the pinky rings im using would be perfect to clamp around a fuel line because they fully adjust, open to close. I will get a picture to show you. I tried magnets on my saturn but it didnt show any improment, but they where not strong, very weak compared to the neo magnets.[/quote]
Seems to me RG once showed me a large magnet she placed under her pillow to sleep better. I do believe there is something to it. My problem is with rip off artist just throwing any cheap magnets together and making outrageous claims...and profits. Every time gas prices go up there's 'new' magnetic fuel treatment systems for sale.
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..."Am I missing something here? Reading the above posts leads me to believe that you take two magnets on either side of the fuel line, and point like poles together so they try to repel eachother, and the repelling flux lines are flowing through the fuel. Is this correct? If so, the electromagnet wouldn't work in this regard, since the entire fuel line becomes the magnet, instead of having the diverging flux lines flowing through it.[/quote]
Okay, what I am relating here was told to me by someone faced with the prospect of explaining radical research to a simple-minded individual: me.
So please take this in the right vein and don't go pelting me with rocks. The internet or a physicist would probably be able to explain things better, but here's my take:
Any fluid that flows in a tube or pipe or vessel creates something called a Hartmann current.
The magnets, with like-poles facing, are placed on opposite sides of the tubing (in this case the fuel inlet tube), in such a way as to excite this current somewhat, so the set-up supposedly aims to work with fuel flow, not against it.
Now, the magnets I had for my test had the elements set up in such a way that the focal point of the flux was offset, and aimed to meet not in the middle of the tube, but at the internal walls of the tube, where the Hartmann current supposedly resides.
I saw on the Yahoo usergroup that E=MC2 gave us (Thanks for that - very interesting site) that someone's been doing some calculations based on tubing diameter and thickness, etcetera. So there appears to be some method to the madness, even if it is way beyond me.
Bear in mind the above set up supposedly reduces the surface tension of the fuel only.
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MAGNETS FOR HEALTH:
My mom swears by magnets. She even drinks her own home-brewed polarised water, and used to make us drink a glass of it before bedtime if we were suffering from gas or constipation.
But magnetised water is not good for folks suffering from water-retention.
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[quote="Pinhead"]What about electromagnets?? My old Ford has steel fuel lines going up to the throttle body (TBI). Why not make that entire fuel line a big magnet? By changing the polarity of the current, you can change the polarity of the magnet.
Am I missing something here? Reading the above posts leads me to believe that you take two magnets on either side of the fuel line, and point like poles together so they try to repel eachother, and the repelling flux lines are flowing through the fuel. Is this correct? If so, the electromagnet wouldn't work in this regard, since the entire fuel line becomes the magnet, instead of having the diverging flux lines flowing through it.[/quote] If you're running any type of electronic fuel injection, you already have your big coil around your fuel line and it's doing it's job right before the fuel enters the engine. Does it mater if the magnets are at the front of the car or the back? I know a tornado in the air stream does little good if too far from the engine.
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Re: the electric fuel pump and injector nozzles acting as a magnet of sorts, I believe part of this to be true. It would be interesting to find a way to measure the polarity...
Location: the general opinion seems to be - the closer to the injectors the better, and on a non-metallic part of the fuel line.
Also, the magnetic flux can be carried back to the fuel tank by the fuel return line. That's why it may help to experiment with the polarity of the magnets for the maximum effectiveness - assuming they have any effect at all.
But a lot of new EFI cars have no fuel return lines.